Queen Mary 2 vs the United States, a comparson
One of my favorite Car Magazine, Car and Driver, features a comparison between two cars types from competing manufacturers, IE Mustang vs Camaro. Called ‘Comparo’ the articles follows a predictable format, test drive, scoring, the verdict, and stats.
As a passenger on both the United States and the Queen Mary 2, I thought it would be interesting to compare the differences between the two ships. Granted its not exactly an apples to apples comparison, more like comparing a Cadillac Escalade SUV with a Ford Mustang GT. However, the purpose of this comparison is to demonstrate how transatlantic luxury liners have changed in the past 60 years while still delivering a traditional ‘crossing’ experience.
R.M.S. QUEEN MARY 2.
+ The British persona, stabilized ride, getting there is still half the fun. A floating maritime museum. The last alternative to the needless haste and indignities of air travel.
– Its no ocean greyhound but who cares. No more bon voyage parties. Attempts to look like a classic ocean liner cannot overcome a strong family resemblance to the balcony laden, floating condominiums profile of a Carnival line cruise ship.
= Transportation for those who still believe that staggering round a transatlantic liner in a dinner jacket with a martini is the normal, rational, reasonable way to cross the Atlantic. A grand ocean liner that preserves In style and spirit the classic the rituals of the traditional transatlantic crossing.
S.S. UNITED STATES.
+ Speed and good looks, the ‘Concorde’ of the North Atlantic liners. Friendly personal service. The freedom of being ‘unplugged’ no cells, TV, internet. A technological marvel loaded with ‘Wow’ factor.
– The roller coaster ride in heavy weather, Strict class division cut the ship up and limited social opportunities. A troop ship disguised as a luxury liner.
= An American original. To sail on her was to experience a superb sailing machine with dashing good looks and comfort of an ocean going yacht
| COMPARO | ||
| R.M.S Queen Mary 2 | S.S. United States | |
| Purpose | Ocean liner – cruise ship | Ocean Liner – troopship |
| Gross Tonnage: | 151,400 | 53,300 |
| Length: | 1,132 ft | 990 ft |
| Beam: | 135 ft | 101 ft, 6 inches |
| Height: Keel to funnel top | 236.2 ft | 175 ft |
| Draught: | 33 ft (10.1 m) | 32.33 |
| Decks: | 17 | 12 |
| Horse power: | 157,168 | 240,000 |
| Propulsion: | Four electric propulsion pods: | steam turbine-quadruple screw |
| Top Speed: | 29.6 knots | 42 knots |
| Service Speed | 26 knots | 30-31 knots |
| Crossing time | NewYork – Southampton 6 days | New York – LeHavre 4 days 7 hours |
| Capacity: Passengers | 2,620 | 2,008 |
| Officers and crew: | 1,253 | 1,093 |
| Maiden voyage | 1-Dec-04 | 3-Jul-52 |
| Category | Max score | Queen Mary 2 | United States |
| Personal comfort* | 10 | 7 | 6 |
| Amenities | 10 | 8 | 8 |
| Interior styling | 10 | 8 | 7 |
| Exterior Styling | 10 | 6 | 9 |
| Power train | 10 | 6 | 10 |
| Ride | 10 | 8 | 5 |
| Total | 60 | 43 | 45 |
| Rank | 2 | 1 | |
| * Relative to its time 1952 v/s the 1990's | |||
At 53,300 gross registered tons and 280,000 horsepower, the United States is the Ferrari of the two. Her design follows the universal formula for speed; pack the maximum horsepower in the light long hull. The end result was a superb racing machine that delivered a maiden voyage crossing in three days, ten hours, and forty minutes. She is the product of a time when speed and comfort were found at sea, when big fast ships were objects of national pride and, if needed, quickly turned into troops ships ready to speed to an engagement.
At 151,400 gross registered tons and 157,169 horsepower, the Queen Mary 2 provides a crossing in just under 7 days. The ship follows the Carnival Corporation formula for maximizing profits. Maximum revenue = volume to provide an exceptional high ratio of balcony cabins at a premium charge, + slow speed to lower fuel cost + each day at sea generates more cash register revenue. The end result is a cruise ship built to withstand the rigors of regular North Atlantic crossings and make a profit. It’s a winning formula that appeals to Carnival stockholders and passengers who seek a relaxing, civilized crossing.
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SAVING THE UNITED STATES
SPECIFICATIONS
SPECIFICATIONS Column1 R.M.S Queen Mary 2 S.S. United States Purpose Ocean liner - cruise ship Ocean Liner - troopship Gross Tonnage: 151400 53300 Length: 1,132 ft 990 ft Beam: 135 ft 101 ft, 6 inches Height: Keel to funnel top 236.2 ft 175 ft Draught: 33 ft (10.1 m) 32.33 Decks: 17 12 Horse power: 157168 240000 Propulsion: Four electric propulsion pods: steam turbine-quadruple screw Top Speed: 29.6 knots 42 knots Service Speed 26 knots 30-31 knots Crossing time NewYork - Southampton 6 days New York - LeHavre 4 days 7 hours Capacity: Passengers 2620 2008 Officers and crew: 1253 1093 Maiden voyage 38322 19178
I have to agree with this comparison, even though as “United States” was from an earlier time period of the 1950’s. I thought of her a giant sized U.S. Navy destroyer in rough weather and size of the “Big U” aluminum stacks was taken into consideration, as to navigating in rough North Atlantic seas. The on board passenger facilities and public spaces were for first and cabin class were very good and tourist class accommodations were good also. The food and service was also very good. Remember the “United States was completely fireproof with no wood material used in her construction, only the grand piano and butcher’s blocks in the ships galley were the only non flamable materials. The “QM2” being built almost sixty years later much bigger, had maxmium in port manovering abilities with no tugs and much larger than the “United States”. The “QM2” has two sets of large rough weather stabilizors. Her accomodations are the best, being this great liner was also meant for cruising in warm waters too. The “Big U” could do over 30 knots+ and keep a good schedule, despite any rough seas. The “United States” had eight super heated boilers in two separate boiler room spaces and four large steam turbine engines. The “QM2” has large diesel electric and gas turbine to maitain this ship(Built 2004) to maintain a good schedule, originally 6 days and then reduced to 7 days Transatlantic crossing at her highest speed of 29 knots. As we all know the “United States” was designed as a troop carrier for the U.S, Navy in time of war. I traveled o both ships, on the “United States” and with her while in Newport News Shipyard, Newport News Virginia, her birthplace in 1952 and on the new “QM2” on her maiden voyage in 2004. It’s quite a comparison of two great ships from two generations of true ocean liners.
Sailed on the SS United States westbound in Dec. 1967 with my Mother. We were meeting my Dad who was just returning from a year in Vietnam. Very rough winter crossing but the Big U plowed through the ocean maintaining it’s service speed. What a thrill it was. I was usually somewhere on the deck during the day. Between the ship’s high speed and the prevailing winds, it was difficult to actually stand on the open deck without holding on for dear life! Incredible ship, impeccably maintained. Everything sparkled as if the ship was brand new!
Then in 2009, I took my family on the QM 2 eastbound. Although a different experience in many ways, there were a lot of similarities. In those days the QM 2 crossed in 6 days instead of it’s current 7, so you could really appreciate the speed. The daily shipboard routine was also similar. However, there was much more to do on the QM2 in terms of organized activities than on the Big U. My boys did exactly what I did as a boy, constantly exploring the ship, being on deck and watching the distinctive propwash that can only come from quadruple screw propulsion.
I found that the QM2’s design to be an excellent compromise. One which provides an excellent opportunity to experience an authentic crossing but also catering to modern requirements and commercial success. It’s great to know that Cunard still provides that service.
Great website, Thanks.
There is no contest, in my opinion, as to which of these ships has the best looks. However, I do think the Queen Mary 2 is the most appealing of modern passenger ships. In general, I detest the top heavy apartment block design which is so common now.